Parts of Ontario Place Closed for Redevelopment

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Post by bratman » 02 Feb 2012, 00:03

Lithanial wrote:Well,

If the City would quit throwing money away on cheap renovations to places like the Science Centre, Zoo, and Ontario Place, then there wouldn't be these issues. People are not going to go to a place like Ontario Place for some cheap renovation when they can go to Wonderland and get so much more.

Another failed project for the City of Toronto as are as I am concerned. Think of all the tax dollars that went into it. Won't be long for the Zoo to be privatized next, then all of its unused land sold off. Then in 10 years, people that buy new homes next to the Zoo will complain about the Zoo making noise and how their children are unsafe.

The only thing left will be the Science Centre, which is a disaster of its own. Ain't no way that's lasting another 10 years.

I guess that leaves the ROM..... YAY!



Actually, the province owns Ontario Place and the Science Centre..... not the city.
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Post by kunpc1 » 02 Feb 2012, 00:13

^Beat me to it. Ontario Place is owned by the Government of Ontario, not Toronto. The province kicks in about $20 million per year to cover operating costs.

As I mentioned earlier, I doubt it will return as an amusement park. I'm sure some sort of hotel, residential (more condos?), shops & restaurants will end up replacing what's there now.

I was listening to John Tory while at work this afternoon (he's one of the 8 or 9 people that will be forwarding suggestions to the province for redevelopment). He had people call in with suggestions to bring forward. One person suggested a Toronto Legoland that can have an amusement park component during the summer and have a large indoor attraction area that can be open year-round.

Another person called in and suggested a Great Wolf Lodge hotel/indoor water park. Now this could be a great idea. If they made Ontario Place a spot with boutique shops and restaurants, a hotel or two could be great along with the Molson Amp for concerts. I was thinking, they could do a proper outdoor water park that they could charge admission to during the summer months and then have the indoor water park available year-round for resort guests.

Oh well, lots of possibilities I guess. Maybe Wonderland can pick up a large assortment of rides and water slides on the cheap ;)
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Post by Vekomondial » 02 Feb 2012, 01:57

They have a nice new Proslide Tantrum that never opened in 2011 like it was supposed to. Looks like it won`t be opening this year either... Would fit in quite nicely with the other Proslides in Splashworks... 8)

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Post by Lithanial » 02 Feb 2012, 06:21

^They could do lots with it. I don't think it takes a genius to figure out the best use for it and how to get tourists. They just need to put real money into it. There's a reason why Cedar Fair decides to make large investments into their parks every 4 to 5 years. The cheap gimmicky renovations are not sustainable methods of attracting guests. It only caters to local tourism and even that eventually stops. If you want to bring in guests from all over Canada, give them something to want.
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Post by rollin_n_coastin » 02 Feb 2012, 06:52

Hey, it was good for selling Labatt 50!
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Finally. So happy that now there's a mission critical need to get that much needed revitalization going. Let's not forget that plans were announced for a full revitalization over a year ago. I remember listening to Tory and Stafford shows talking about what Ontario place meant and what needed to be done to get it back to its 1970's glory days. It was cool hearing all the retro radio commercials.

Now that they are forced to do something, it's great that the task force has finally been announced. A terrific choice in John Tory and thankfully he's come back after we've kicked him to the curb so many times in politics.

Let's not forget, Ontario Place was never an amusement park. It was an still is like an an old fashion "expo" type showcase for Ontario that hasn't kept up with the times. There really is nothing left there. The only difference from when I was a kid was the Lego pavilion and video games pavilion, which were really cool. Also a few restaurants and more people being there. Tearing down the Forum took out its heart. The place was literally left to hollow out and die.

The Forum was a great outdoor venue that brought people into the park at all hours of operation as it was centrally located. It was easy to spend money at the restaurants and outlets when you walked by and saw them. The Molson Amphitheatre was built and took people away from needing to go inside Ontario Place and even from Kingswood at Wonderland.

The water park is still a major draw but not enough to sustain the entire place. The flume is fantastic. The Cinesphere was amazing and was a huge draw, but why go to a very run down Imax theatre where so many new ones have been built? The silos that once or may still show Ontario 16mm films about Ontario Pulp and Paper sure wouldn't be a draw today.

The place is temporarily closing because the attendance doesn't support the operating costs, especially since the province is in greater debt than the Bob Rae days, which no one thought would ever be possible again.

They will conduct this task force, which will result in nothing until we have enough money to do something (maybe through a PPP?) But at least they are doing something. The property is phenomenal and I think has the potential to become a modern showcase for Ontario again. Modelling it after say, an Epcot, would make total sense. Atlantis pavilion will stay. Cinesphere will stay but will be upgraded and renovated. The water park and flume will stay but be refurbished or upgraded--they actually bring people in.

The revitalization task force will hopefully bring a consensus on what to add to bring more people back -- new restaurants, maybe a hotel, modern pavilions, new attractions at the silos, etc. Maybe re-building something like the Forum for local or cultural performances. It was great at drawing people in during late hours as well as during the day. Wonderland changed Kingswood into more cultural and foreign language concerts to make it viable again after the Amphitheatre took away all the headliners. Ontario Place was apparently a huge night spot/ clubbing area a long time ago. Maybe it could be again since condo development is hollowing out the Entertainment district downtown. Funny, since the Entertainment District took away all the nightlife from the Airport strip and Ontario Place to begin with.

I think the casino is being considered for the Ex grounds?

Let's hope for the best :)

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Post by Johnlloyd » 14 Jan 2016, 08:27

Here are some recent photos of Ontario Place just deteriorating and being attacked by vandals. I wonder how long it will be until it's completely gone? 8)
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Post by Johnny Au » 14 Jan 2016, 19:32

Only the part of Ontario Place named after a brewery, and later the main product of said brewery (albeit not part of Ontario Place proper), is not abandoned.

It would have been good if said brewery were to purchase Ontario Place, just like how Busch at one point ran Busch Gardens (though Guinness (the brewery) does not run the Guinness World Records museums).

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Post by Johnlloyd » 15 Jan 2016, 11:25

Johnny Au wrote:Only the part of Ontario Place named after a brewery, and later the main product of said brewery (albeit not part of Ontario Place proper), is not abandoned.

It would have been good if said brewery were to purchase Ontario Place, just like how Busch at one point ran Busch Gardens (though Guinness (the brewery) does not run the Guinness World Records museums).
Sorry for the confusion! I was referring to Soak City and the amusement park of Ontario Place! 8)
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Re: Parts of Ontario Place Closed for Redevelopment

Post by Johnny Au » 15 Jan 2016, 18:20

Ah yes.

It is too late to salvage what was once Mega Maze. The hedge portion of the maze grew, blocking off paths.

Wonderland could have purchased Mega Maze at a significant discount, move it to Wonderland, and it could be used during the summer. During Halloween Haunt, Mega Maze could be rethemed to one very large haunted house.

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Post by Ragebob » 05 Aug 2016, 17:40

I went here a few weeks ago while locating the bases for exhibition stadium FYI it's deteriorating
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There are still signs of what was there but only in garbage cans
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